Thursday, April 10, 2008

milf action 2

if you haven't followed the conversation from yesterday or the day before, please go back and check if you are so inclined... the battle of the sexes continues and (hint hint) i could maybe use some help, Greg is walking right over me ;)

I said yesterday: "but have you guys never heard of the word 'tact'?

Greg's reply: "Tact? As soon as we use tact the question becomes about honesty. "Why can't you just be honest with me?" or "Why don't you tell me what you are thinking?"

Yes we have tact. That is why a man doesn't usually point and say, "Hey, Honey, look at her tits." But if you ask, you must deal with the answer.

My theory is that since Walt Disney, most women have come under the Cinderella spell. They think a Prince Charming actually exists, when in reality, we are all flawed human beings. Many women want honesty and tact so long as it maintains the illusion that they are a princess. Many have the illusion that the rest of their life with a person will be just like the first date, the first month, or the first year. It won't. People who don't grow together become bored of each other.

By age 30 or 40 a man will fall into one of several categories:

1) The "Yes, Dear drone." Relationship will be extremely boring. Shallow women will be happy with this man. Others will either dump him or have an affair. He'll become a dreamer.

2) He'll pick honesty over tact. If he's good enough in bed, she'll overlook it. If not, then the relationship won't last long. Women don't want honesty, they only say they do.

3) He'll open up his other options.

I innocently said: "men still feel sex is just sex, and although a lot of woman also think that way, you have to admit that on some level it's more than just sex... so i think men are more open to affairs yes, but it's the woman that calls the shots, being yes or no..."

Greg's reply: A cigar is just a cigar and sex is just sex. It is people that make more of it. And it is religion that has made sex (especially in our time period) something other than it is. The problem here is this culture of guilt people have a hard time avoiding when it comes to sex.

Sex isn't some bad thing you hide away and do. As long as people are responsible, there is absolutely nothing different about sex versus anything else you might share with someone. Religious and cultural hang-ups turn it into something else. (I've got a lot to say on this, but I'll save that for another time).

Men are not "more open" to affairs, nor are women "more open" to affairs. There isn't really much difference between us. We are human and we are drawn to excitement equally. As individuals we find different things exciting, so that is where we differ, but this isn't based on our sex. As far as calling the shots, I disagree, we are equal here too. People often have the illusion of power, but this is only an illusion.

"naughty naughty... you read playgirl? hehe... ok if you buy literature of that nature both sexes are objects, no depth or no character or no substance are given to either... if you are in that magazine you are an object..."

There is the cultural influence coming out. Playgirl is a magazine like many others. It makes just as much sense to feign shock at someone reading "The Economist". There is nothing wrong with sex. And as far as objectification, I've read both. Playgirl is nothing but sex. But with Playboy, it is one of the few magazines that I've maintained a subscription to because it is substantive.

We objectify everything in our lives, so why not sex? This is the nature of how our brains work. We create generalizations that keep us sane. We start with base desire before discovering details. If men and women did not objectify each other they would never get together to fuck, make babies, and find more meaning in life.

The only reason we have the illusion that men objectify women more is because a woman will generally know for certainty if she will get laid on any given day.

With the next one I still believe, no I'm absolutely positive I'm right and you're wrong here... but ANYWAY: )

"if i was one of the three I would have waved the other two goodbye and wished them luck, if a guy can't see what he's got it me... well his loss ;) moving on..."

Ok. You go on believing that. That works fine if you have no interest in the guy. If all three women have some interest in this guy, then it won't matter if they are best friends, sisters, or lovers; the knives will come out as soon as one turns her back. As a guy, I've personally experienced this more than once.

I again ploughed on.... "Woman tend to struggle between the difference of equality in the workplace and equality in relationships."

With Greg bulldozing me once again: I have strong feelings on this one, and will only briefly comment. Women often want anything but equality in the workplace; they more often want preferential treatment. Men cannot treat women the same as they would treat other men or else they will be charged with sexual harassment or discrimination. Men are brutal to each other in the workplace. Our comments are raw, sexually charged, and confrontational. We often treat each other less than human. That is the nature of the workplace. Yes, there are examples of guys taking advantage of women, but in most cases these advantages aren't too different than the treatment men face too.

And with women advancing to positions of power, the sexual advances are starting to balance out between both sexes. As I've said before, sexual harassment only applies to ugly people

and lastly: "you're kidding right? really? wow... if that's the case... well those blue balls have to be mounted and ... ahem... let's leave it at that shall we?"

Among friends, no I'm not kidding. Yes some guy you know from the office or from playing basketball or baseball with, probably not. But your friends, hell yeah.

you guys are so strange, you know that??

9 COMMENTS....bite me!:

Globus said...

globus is siding with greg on this one. it would be easy to blame wimmin - who may use sex to get love, whereas men may use love to get sex - but globus thinks it's more society telling us what is and isn't, which is the problem.

oh and sexual harassment does indeed only apply to the ugly.

sweets said...

ok so you two guys have blue balls or what? ;)

The Jackson Files said...

I want to leave a comment, but I really don't know what to say...Greg has scarily strong opinions on this one, which he is entitled to, but Sweets, that MILF post was funny and made me LAUGH - and wasn't that the point?

sweets said...

jacks i love you!!!!! hehe...you got it girl!!!

men are so strange ;)

ozymandiaz said...

Me thinks here I shall comment of the "sex is just sex" section.
WRONG!
Granted, most guys fell that if its warm and moist it deserves a good dicking. I have heard the phrase "if you burry them all from the waist up they are all the same." I have also found that most guys are idiots. (side note on tact: a firend of mine's wife asked if the dress she was wearing made her look fat. "No" he replied, "its the fat that makes you look fat." Honesty often does not get one laid.) I am very unapologetic on this issue. From my understanding thru my various relationships that most men are horrendous lovers. That is why most men see sex as just sex, because they haven't the foggiest idea what they are doing. Have dick, will cum. The truth is they simply do not CARE. As long as they get theirs.
We, as humans, are beings of energy. If you don't get that, read a fucking book or two. Try to learn what we are as physical beings. Sex can indeed be just sex. I have had it as so. But making love, that is an entirely differant being. I share in my lovers orgasms. Not that I just get off on her getting off but I actually experience her orgasms. It is an energy event. It is far more satisfying and fulfilling than simply getting my rocks off. It is a mindful experience beyond any other I know. It is, for lack of a better word, tantric.
Women know this about sex, inately, as they are sensual beings. Most know it, sadly enough, without ever experiencing it because it is part of feminine, it is a nurturing aspect. It is their nature so it is far easier for a woman to be a good lover than a man. Men think everything is size and stamina, they miss out on sensuality and intamacy because, frankly, its too much work.

sweets said...

ok so that theory is true... you guys stick together... i am pleasently surprised ;) you all make valid points so... kudos to the brilliant men that i follow! wow... that does sound strange doesn't it?

angel said...

sheesh... deep breath... so interesting!
very cool posts sweets, though i'm not going to say more than its interesting...
:D

Greg said...

I'll take one more shot at the sex is just sex argument. This argument has nothing to do with the quality of sex as ozymandiaz brought up. What I originally said was the people, or more specifically peoples' beliefs, are the source of what amounts to mysticism surrounding sex.

Having great or terrible sex has nothing to do with the level of mysticism a couple brings to the encounter as ozymandiaz seems to suggest. Self-awareness and belief does affect the situation, but is not dependant on it.

People have a bad habit of adding to reality. They create in their minds what doesn't exist or happen experientially. This is the mystic factor. So yes, many people make more of sex than it is, I'm not disputing that. I'm making two distinct points:

1) Sex in itself is an act that is not dependant on other things directly. And yes it is possible to engage in a sexual encounter without other emotional involvement. The obvious example of this is prostitution. How ridiculous would it be to accuse a woman or man who visits a prostitute that she or he is in love with that prostitute. Possible, but probably not. Sex is just sex.

2) The cause of this notion that sex is something more is not due to the sexual encounter, but a person's interpretation of the sexual encounter. The problem people face is that we are individuals and interpret every event quite differently. This is the mysticism that we create in our daily lives. We imagine stuff that isn't there.

There are probably cases where a person visited a prostitute and fell in love after having sex because of a distorted sense of the experience. We all can probably describe examples of individuals who after meeting us, not necessarily having sex with us, seem to come out of the interaction with a distorted sense of reality. Stalkers are good examples of these.

So for those that believe sex is more than sex, which is most people I think, y'all are a bit of an emotional stalker in this sense. And as I said, we can give most of the blame to religion and our cultural upbringing.

We relate sex with marriage and family automatically even if our individual beliefs differ from the norm. So we often go into a sexual encounter with a lot of assumptions, most of which probably don't reflect reality.

The other cultural factor that leads from the family one is that most people really don't have sex with all that many people. So most people have few sexual encounters, and these tend to be with people who have already established other connections with the person. So it is easy to transfer (and assume) these connections when thinking about other sexual encounters.

If you don't go to the movie theater very often, you'll tend to make a big deal out of it and transfer a lot to the experience (the mystical aspect). But if you regularly go to the theater, you can still enjoy it just as much, and perhaps even better, but you have a better sense that you are just going to see a movie.

meleah rebeccah said...

Yeah....I will not engage in battle with Greg. He kicks my ass every time!

 
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